Who was the actor who Nicholson replaced?
by Anonymous | reply 1 | November 12, 2017 6:11 PM |
Patinkin I think?
I love this film too, OP-
Love Meryl in the scene where she is getting her hair done and leaves in the middle of it. I also love the entire Key Lime Pie scene towards the end.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | November 12, 2017 6:13 PM |
Meryl looks very frumpy in this movie.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | November 12, 2017 6:14 PM |
A decent but flawed film. Nora Ephron's revenge movie on Carl Bernstein. She was too close to the material to be able to make the story and characters balanced enough to be interesting.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | November 12, 2017 6:16 PM |
I enjoyed the book (especially the recipes) but was bored by the film when Carly Simon was playing.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | November 12, 2017 6:17 PM |
But yes, the ending is great and Meryl was perfection in the scene.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 7 | November 12, 2017 6:18 PM |
Your dreadful taste is giving us all heartburn
by Anonymous | reply 8 | November 12, 2017 6:19 PM |
I saw it when it came out and everyone in the movie theatre groaned at the end
by Anonymous | reply 9 | November 12, 2017 6:19 PM |
I’m watching Heartburn again exactly one year later.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | November 12, 2018 5:20 PM |
Patinkin was fired after shooting only a few days, after he gave notes to both Streep and director Mike Nichols.
What an egotistical creep.
Not to mention stupid. His career stalled, and has never had opportunities as promising since.
The man is his own worst enemy.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | November 12, 2018 5:28 PM |
It was long and labored and lack real humor. My favorite scene is when they fuck on the first date and she walks in the bedroom with a HUGE bowl of pasta carbonara and they twirl their forks together in bed and the next scene is them getting married.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | November 12, 2018 5:34 PM |
I can’t imagine Patinkin as Mark.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | November 12, 2018 5:36 PM |
I first saw this movie in the theater and I've seen it a few time since. I can see that there are parts of the movie that are supposed to be darkly hilarious, but I have yet to laugh. There's something "off" about the timing and film doesn't read as a comedy at all, and it was supposed to be funny!
by Anonymous | reply 14 | November 12, 2018 5:40 PM |
[quote]Patinkin was fired after shooting only a few days, after he gave notes to both Streep and director Mike Nichols.
He was fired after he sang an 11-minute song from Carousel, completely stopping production to do so.
It was a such a hammy, self-indulgent thing to do, everyone knew they could not endure an entire movie production with him.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | November 12, 2018 5:43 PM |
Some parts are funny—like the Hungarian contractor.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | November 12, 2018 5:43 PM |
I just remember finding the movie really boring -- unless the Carly Simon song was playing.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | November 12, 2018 5:43 PM |
Very unfunny. Ironically, I knew people who knew Ephron & Bernstein--they were neighbors of the couple and I lived in the building where they used to live. There were co-op rules about noise because of them! They drove out neighbors. Both were difficult people--she had a sense of humor but not much more to offer.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | November 12, 2018 5:50 PM |
I just love Meryl and Jack.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | November 12, 2018 5:51 PM |
Anyone who's has a breakup loves this movie.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | November 12, 2018 6:05 PM |
R15 you mean instead of just singing a few bars for the scene he continued with the entire song?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | November 12, 2018 6:10 PM |
R20 Since everyone has had a breakup, that is, clearly not true.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | November 12, 2018 6:10 PM |
R21 It wasn't for the scene.
Mandy sang the ENTIRE Soliloquy from Carousel, thinking Meryl, Jack and Mike would be grateful to hear his talent.
They rolled their collective eyes and fired him.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | November 12, 2018 6:12 PM |
[auote]But yes, the ending is great
Didn't the movie end with Meryl and Baby Mamie (as her on-screen daughter) on a plane and the little brat was being very talkative/noisy? I think it was supposed to be 'cute,' but after having done my fair share of traveling, I felt bad for the passengers. The flight had just started.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | November 12, 2018 6:12 PM |
That woman next to Nicholson in OP's link looks like Cynthia Nixon
by Anonymous | reply 25 | November 12, 2018 6:13 PM |
Singing the Soliloquy from Carousel is in the script. Nicholson sings nearly the entire song in the final film.
Nicholson had been director Mike Nichols' first choice for the role but he wasn't available. Nichols decided to give Mandy a chance, although he'd never had a lead in a film. Nichols fired him on either the second or third day of shooting, depending on which account you read. In addition to giving Both Nichols and Streep notes between takes (NOT DONE!) he would change Nichols' careful blocking when the camera rolled, resulting in his sometimes being out of the frame or obscuring someone else. Lots of totally unacceptable shit like that and he wasn't even a star back then. This would have been his big break. Fortunately, Nicholson's project had fallen through and he was able to step in immediately.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | November 12, 2018 6:20 PM |
R27 what do you mean 'gave them notes between takes'?
by Anonymous | reply 28 | November 12, 2018 6:28 PM |
I didn't mean to imply that Mandy was an unknown back then. He'd had starring roles on Broadway and supporting roles in film but this would have been his first starring film role and Heartburn was going to be a major film.
Giving notes = telling Streep how to say her lines and how to pace herself, telling Nichols were to place his camera, how a scene should be played. etc. He was a newcomer ordering around a major star and world class director who both had Oscars to their credit
by Anonymous | reply 29 | November 12, 2018 6:33 PM |
Loved Queen Meryl in this,always wondered if this was a beginning of her and Jack affair (they are too touchy/feely) Can't believe the lady got her therapy group robbed.But its fun to watch for scenes of old Georgetown in DC.Now the place sucks,but back when the movie was made it was a yuppie oasis. I didn't like Rachel's dad,he seemed as bad as her husband..... An their maid side-eyeing Jack made me wonder if she knew he was sneaking around and was the culprit behind his missing socks???
by Anonymous | reply 30 | November 12, 2018 6:41 PM |
I love this movie too. It's one that I've seen several times and could see several more. Don't forget Kevin Spacey as the sleazeball before he actually became one IRL.
by Anonymous | reply 31 | November 12, 2018 6:43 PM |
[quote]But its fun to watch for scenes of old Georgetown in DC.Now the place sucks,but back when the movie was made it was a yuppie oasis.
What's it like now?
by Anonymous | reply 32 | November 12, 2018 6:48 PM |
R31 he was also a sleazeball in a bit part in WORKING GIRL a year later. He attempts to jump Melanie in the limo.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | November 12, 2018 6:49 PM |
The book was better -- it had RECIPES!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 34 | November 12, 2018 8:09 PM |
[R32]Regentification destroys neighborhoods,its all shiny and new with no soul.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | November 12, 2018 8:22 PM |
The Heartburn house just sold a few years ago. It’s cute.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 36 | November 12, 2018 8:26 PM |
I prefer the sequel "Rolaids."
by Anonymous | reply 37 | November 12, 2018 8:51 PM |
Love those recipes, R34. Thanks!!
by Anonymous | reply 38 | November 12, 2018 9:08 PM |
I read that Nora Ephron and Carl Bernstein really went to war about how she depicted him in this book and then again movie. Apparently, this is the kinder and gentler version. He was upset about how their children would see him. I read the book first and I do remember she put her recipe for her famous vinaigrette in the book.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | November 12, 2018 9:17 PM |
R34 Should have read all your recipes first. Thanks for posting those. We need to try them and report back.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | November 12, 2018 9:20 PM |
Perfect closing song...Carly Simon's Coming Around Again
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 41 | November 12, 2018 9:30 PM |
This is the best pot roast I’ve ever had. I want it every night.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | November 12, 2018 9:40 PM |
The group therapy robbery scene is great, if only for the impressive amount of "hardware" in this scene. Between Meryl Steep, Maureen Stapleton, Mercedes Ruehl, Joanna Gleason, and Kevin Spacey, you've got 5 Tonys, 4 Emmys, 7 Oscars, and 7 Golden Globes -- and those are just the big awards.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 43 | November 12, 2018 9:43 PM |
R43 I’ve won more globes than that. In fact I’m off to my awards room to polish all my hardware. See you next month!
by Anonymous | reply 44 | November 12, 2018 9:53 PM |
I was bummed that Catherine O’Hara didn’t do well in this - her first big Hollywood break. I love her to death but she was a big-time disappointment as the Southern friend of Meryl’s.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | November 12, 2018 9:58 PM |
They lived in Adams Morgan. The book opens with her recalling The Ontario (the co-op with rules about noise attributed to them). They lived in another place in Adams Morgan closer to the Ellington Bridge before then.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | November 12, 2018 11:27 PM |
Some of the early thread responses about Patinkin originally playing Nicholson's part are incorrect. R27 (also r29) has it about right. The Carousel Soliloquy was in the script, Patinkin was never fired over that. Nicholson sings a nearly complete (slightly abridged) version in the finished film. Mandy way overstepped all boundaries for a relative newcomer interacting with established pros and correctly had his ass handed to him.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | November 13, 2018 8:44 AM |
Mandy and Mike Nichols talked about it in the New York Times in 2013. Mandy said "“I’m ambivalent about doing ‘Heartburn,’ but my agent, Sam Cohn, pushes Mike Nichols to hire me. We’re at the table read, and Mike leans in and says, ‘How do you feel about blue contact lenses?’ And I was like, ‘What?’ We got to the first shot, which was on 81st Street at Pizzeria Uno, the cameras were across the street, Meryl and I were in the window playing the scene, and I remember Mike said, ‘Just try to imagine a golf ball running down your leg,’ to try to get me to lighten up and laugh. That was right after we did a scene in bed, naked. This was the first day, a scene in bed, naked” — he looked stricken, still — – “and now a golf ball running down my leg, and the next day I was fired. I thought my life was over. They hired Jack Nicholson, who they wanted from the beginning.”
Reached by phone, Nichols said: “I loved Mandy then, and I love him now. It was awful to have to replace him, but on film I couldn’t see the chemistry I wanted. I don’t know how many days it was, but to save the damn thing, I had to move fast to get Jack. Mandy was, of course, devastated, and I’ve felt awful about it all my life.”
by Anonymous | reply 48 | November 14, 2018 12:20 AM |
R42 The recipe calls for:
[quote]1 can of cream of mushroom soup, an envelope of dried onion soup,
That sounds like a flyover frau recipe from the 1950s. Yuck.
(Although I did make her linguine recipe when I read the book -- and it was delicious!)
by Anonymous | reply 49 | November 14, 2018 1:07 AM |
Both Nicholson and Streep are miscast. In fact Mike Nichols seemed to always miscast Streep. I would have preferred Ron Silver and Debra Winger.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | November 14, 2018 1:24 AM |
Mike Nichols' 1980s NYC films are so wonderful, if only for the brilliant casting of Juliet Taylor.
by Anonymous | reply 51 | November 14, 2018 1:25 AM |
If she was younger Elaine May could have been a wonderful Nora Ephron-type.
by Anonymous | reply 52 | November 14, 2018 1:30 AM |
OP - in case you've never seen this.. and everyone else on this thread.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 53 | November 14, 2018 1:41 AM |
I love Nora and the movie was good, but the book was much better in my opinion. In the book, you howl and applaud when he gets a pie in the face--and then on the next page, you get a very helpful recipe for the pie.:) But with the audience for the movie, most just chuckled a little or yawned outright at the pie scene, they didn't seem that engaged.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | November 14, 2018 1:55 AM |
Did LIKE WATER FOR CHOCOLATE rip-off the recipe format from Ephron? That book also had recipes for the food Tita cooked to entice Pedro.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | November 14, 2018 1:58 AM |
I can't believe I missed this thread when it first appeared.
OP - add me to your list. Maybe having not read the book is helpful in loving this movie. But it's my favorite of all of Meryl's films. I have it on my DVR, and I think I watch it maybe 4 or 5 times a year! I think it's a genuinely wonderful film and, for me at least, Mike Nichols' most underrated.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | November 14, 2018 2:04 AM |
Nora was a very funny lady. Thanks for that clip R53.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | November 14, 2018 2:08 AM |
What was the pasta Meryl made Jack after their first date?
by Anonymous | reply 60 | November 14, 2018 2:11 AM |
I’ve seen it countless times. Imperfect and off kilter film. But bloody entertaining. Some scenes are so well done. The group scenes, the get togethers with friends, of course the pie in the face ending. Love Streep.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | November 14, 2018 2:15 AM |
A mini Mandy/Meryl reunion at :45. Awkward?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 62 | November 14, 2018 2:26 AM |
I love this movie too. I didn't think it was hilarious but I don't think it was supposed to be. It's a comedy in the authentic theater sense of the word. Oh and Kevin Spacey's first movie.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | November 14, 2018 2:37 AM |
I like Joanna Gleason in the group therapy scene when the psychologist makes her cede the floor to Meryl and she sighs and says "Go ahead." I didn't like Carly Simon during this period because like a lot of people I saw her as a spoiled girl - her album title - but this song is really a good movie theme and fits perfectly. I read her excellent book "Boys in the Trees" and she writes about learning Pro Tools after composing Coming Around Again and making her own demo for the producers. She's very talented.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | November 14, 2018 2:53 AM |
Loved the shot of the bathroom door swinging open and Streep standing in a steam with a dresser drawer in hand after finding proof of Mark's cheating. It was perfect.
This is the film where Pauline Kael famously (to me anyway) said of Streep, "She can't take a bite of food without acting out chewing." (I am pretty sure... or maybe this is where she said she could never remember Streep acting from the neck down).
by Anonymous | reply 65 | November 14, 2018 3:07 AM |
Bake Lima beans for 12 hours at 200 degrees? That seems a long time.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | November 14, 2018 3:25 AM |
[quote]This is the film where Pauline Kael famously (to me anyway) said of Streep, "She can't take a bite of food without acting out chewing."
She said that about SILKWOOD. The scene where she comes in and takes a bit out of another worker's sandwich. I think she may have even lamented that Debra Winger would've been better for the role.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | November 14, 2018 3:47 AM |
Libby Titus (Mrs. Donald Fagan) played M’s sister during the wedding sequence.
Jeff Daniels was still hot when this was made. I remember thinking I would have easily gone with him instead of Jack. In the book his character has a crush on Rachel but they left that part completely out of the movie.
The actors playing the friends were all great - Stockard, Richard Masur, Catherine O’Hara and Milos Forman.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | November 14, 2018 3:05 PM |
I saw this when it came out and found it stilted and labored so have never wanted to see it again. I've always like Streep, Nicholson less so, but they both seemed miscast in this. In trying to make Streep look like Ephron, they gave her terrible hair and made her look nothing but dowdy. Wasn't there a scene where Streep confronts Ann Reinking and then later lies and says she gave Nicholson syphillis or something? Just lame.
I remember Ephron's famous quote about Bernstein being able to have sex with a venetian blind and it always seemed so unfunny to me. Maybe if you thought that was comic genius, you loved Heartburn.
by Anonymous | reply 69 | November 14, 2018 3:56 PM |
Anna Maria Horsford steals this movie!
by Anonymous | reply 70 | November 14, 2018 4:01 PM |
"She said that about SILKWOOD. The scene where she comes in and takes a bit out of another worker's sandwich. I think she may have even lamented that Debra Winger would've been better for the role."
I wondered about that, fellow Kaelette, but I think she was saying that Winger would've really eaten that swiped sandwich with gusto. The "bite of food" quote was somewhere else. I'll have to go find it in one of her later books.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | November 14, 2018 5:46 PM |
R68 "In the book his character has a crush on Rachel but they left that part completely out of the movie."
I disagree. It's just not explicit. It's quite obvious in the way Daniels plays his character that he has a crush on her.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | November 14, 2018 5:58 PM |
I'm worried about R71. He, or she, hurried out of here Yesterday at 12:46 PM talking about Debbie Winger and a "bite of food" ... totally giving the impression of an immediate return. He, or she, hasn't been seen since. If you have any information on this case, write to us at Unsolved Mysteries... You need not give your name.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 73 | November 16, 2018 4:41 AM |
I like Joanna Gleason in the film too. I like how when Meryl comes back to group to tell them her husband has cheated and Gleason cries that why does everything always happen to Meryl and nothing happens to her. Then later when they are robbed and held hostage (by Kevin Spacey how prophetic) you see them all at the police station waiting to testify and they all look so glum but Gleason is so happy (something finally happened to her!)
by Anonymous | reply 74 | November 16, 2018 4:46 AM |
R71 No, you were right: the chewing line is from Kael's review of "Heartburn".
by Anonymous | reply 75 | November 16, 2018 4:55 AM |
Kael resented my blonde patrician breeding.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | November 16, 2018 4:57 AM |
M, Kael resented your soulless, manufactured mimicry not your so-called patrician breeding: remember, she called you an android.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | November 16, 2018 5:01 AM |
[quote]It was long and labored and lack real humor. My favorite scene is when they fuck on the first date and she walks in the bedroom with a HUGE bowl of pasta carbonara and they twirl their forks together in bed and the next scene is them getting married.
Remember the gay cater waiters? LOL.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | November 16, 2018 5:51 AM |
"the gay cater waiters"
I think they're discussing recipes.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | November 16, 2018 5:51 AM |
The book is better. I love the way she kept inserting recipes. I still boil my eggs the way she told me to in this book.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | November 16, 2018 5:54 AM |
Those who can't do, teach, and those who can't teach, critique.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | November 16, 2018 5:54 AM |
sorry that's already been said
by Anonymous | reply 82 | November 16, 2018 5:59 AM |
Kael was the last great critic, of course. She could champion a film and help get it seen and she didn't make herself like things just to be popular. She was the only one who counted. Nobody now.
And thanks, R75, I thought I had that period of her work pretty much memorized by this point. She was very important to me then especially. A friend and I would meet on Thursday nights and he'd read me her New Yorker reviews for the week.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | November 16, 2018 8:58 PM |
R81 But good critics can do something: they can write well.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | November 17, 2018 12:51 AM |
When I went to New York in the 1980s I visited the New Yorker office to see Pauline. After that she would ship me free copies of her book collections, and the older ones I didn't have.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | November 17, 2018 12:55 AM |
I ADORE Libby Titus, r68!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 86 | November 17, 2018 12:58 AM |
I like this movie too. It's like a time capsule of the 80's. The pie scene is aces.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | November 18, 2018 1:04 AM |
I just re-watched.
Her father seemed so miscast. He was all wrong.
Most of the people so unlikeable.
I fast forwarded the scenes when Jack sings.
But I must have liked it once. I mean, I have the DVD.
by Anonymous | reply 88 | November 18, 2018 8:49 AM |
[quote]What was the pasta Meryl made Jack after their first date?
Spaghetti Carbonara.
It looks strangely unappetising in the film.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | November 18, 2018 8:52 AM |
and yes, the gay cater waiters are sharing recipes.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | November 18, 2018 8:53 AM |
I was 8 the first time I watched this movie, just after my parents separated. My mother specialised in movies about breakups and mothers and their children for a while lol. Every movie we watched together during that time feels special, so I'm extremely biased but I still love Heartburn, so very 80s in a good way.
by Anonymous | reply 91 | November 18, 2018 9:13 AM |
What did Kael have to say about G/r77 in that movie where she played the killer transvestite with the bad perm?
by Anonymous | reply 92 | November 18, 2018 9:19 AM |
[quote]I was 8 the first time I watched this movie, just after my parents separated. My mother specialised in movies about breakups and mothers and their children for a while lol.
Shoot The Moon?
by Anonymous | reply 93 | November 18, 2018 10:23 AM |
[R89]....i hate speghetti Carbonara...I have a raw egg allergy...
by Anonymous | reply 94 | November 18, 2018 10:37 AM |
the father is played by Steven Hill who was a real-life Orthodox Jew so he is probably the best cast actor in the film.
by Anonymous | reply 96 | November 18, 2018 12:35 PM |
[quote]the father is played by Steven Hill who was a real-life Orthodox Jew so he is probably the best cast actor in the film.
No and no.
by Anonymous | reply 97 | November 18, 2018 2:21 PM |
No what, r97? And no what?
by Anonymous | reply 98 | November 18, 2018 2:24 PM |
It seems odd now that a film that this got so much attention when it was released. I remember it was a big fuss.
They're really dreary middle-aged middle-class people.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | November 18, 2018 2:26 PM |
& I know I rushed to see it in NYC. Probably stood in line with the crowds when it first opened and - for what?
by Anonymous | reply 100 | November 18, 2018 2:28 PM |
on top of that I was probably just 22 or 23.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | November 18, 2018 2:29 PM |
It was a good movie.If you all weren't into it,why bother to critique it.It was a yuppie tour de force. If your too young to know what yuppies were. Kindly excuse yourself from this adult conversation.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | November 18, 2018 2:38 PM |
I like it quite a bit and still watch it.
It's appeal was that it was the ultimate revenge movie and we were watching the revenge live and in person in a way that we didn't usually get to. Everyone knew who the players were and it was supremely embarrassing for Bernstein. He was pissed. I think there was a lawsuit.
I made the key lime pie and it was pretty good.
by Anonymous | reply 103 | November 18, 2018 2:39 PM |
I knew Carl and Nora's DC chef/nanny. Either Nora used Marian's vinaigrette recipe in the book, or Marian borrowed it from her when she became the chef at the original Lauriol Restaurant @ 18th and S.
I couldn't wait to see it. I loved seeing DC in non-thriller movies, plus I wanted to see if there would be a Marian character.
by Anonymous | reply 104 | November 18, 2018 2:39 PM |
[quote]It was a good movie.If you all weren't into it,why bother to critique it
Should one even bother to respond to idiots like this?
by Anonymous | reply 105 | November 18, 2018 2:40 PM |
My favorite character was the Apthorp, and its courtyard.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | November 18, 2018 2:48 PM |
[R105]But you did Blanche....like the hit dog i am sure you are in real life.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | November 18, 2018 2:52 PM |
Why is there always just one shoe in the road? Where's the other one?
by Anonymous | reply 108 | November 18, 2018 2:58 PM |
[quote][[R105]]But you did Blanche....like the hit dog i am sure you are in real life.
Not really - I did not respond TO HIM, I addressed the group.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | November 18, 2018 4:19 PM |
My favorite scene is when Rachel receives a bouquet of flowers and thinks they are from my Mark but actually from the friend who thinks Rachel’s mother has just died. I loved Rachel’s “Shit, now I have to call her” line (which was funnier because right before she utters the line, baby Mamie playfully shoves a piece of banana into M’s mouth which M plays off of beautifully 😆).
The actress who played the well intended friend - Caroline Aaron - also played Woody Allen’s sister in “Crimes and Misdemeanors” and she was the subject of that film’s funniest moment too.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | November 18, 2018 4:19 PM |
[quote] I loved Rachel’s “Shit, now I have to call her” line
Yes, it was [bold]FANTASTIC.[/bold]
by Anonymous | reply 111 | November 18, 2018 4:20 PM |
She's also great in "Deconstructing Harry". And "Primary Colors". AND "Curb Your Enthusiasm". Caroline Aaron is one of the best -- whose name few know.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | November 18, 2018 4:21 PM |
It's also funny because Rachel's mother died years before and she was just using it as an excuse for something. The film is full of little touches like that -- the great realization in the hairdresser chair, the telling the gossip about the mistresses disease knowing it would be spread,, the steamy bathroom, the jeweler asking Rachel how she liked the gift Mark bought her (that he bought for his mistress) and her cover. I just remember thinking Mike Nichols had given up on interesting shots in the '80s but he was still great with actors -- or just hired great ones and left them alone.
by Anonymous | reply 113 | November 18, 2018 4:25 PM |
Yes, I liked that scene with the jeweler where Rachel realizes that Mark is still involved with Thelma Rice (“How much for the ring?”).
That same actor played Suzanne Vale’s non-speaking stepfather in ‘Postcards’ (“Don’t laugh, dear...the man is also an animal in bed”).
by Anonymous | reply 114 | November 18, 2018 4:31 PM |
Just ordered the book and movie. Thanks, DL.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | November 18, 2018 4:38 PM |
I like the picnic scene where Meryl admonishes Jack for eating a piece of chicken before it is served with the line - sic _It's not like you're at your family's house and you're 12 years old and someone thinks it's cute!" - also Ann Reinking does not appear, that's Karen Akers - Joanna Gleason's biggest problem for group therapy is she can't decide whether to go to Club Med this year! '
by Anonymous | reply 116 | November 18, 2018 10:05 PM |
[quote]I like the picnic scene where Meryl admonishes Jack for eating a piece of chicken before it is served with the line - sic _It's not like you're at your family's house and you're 12 years old and someone thinks it's cute!" -
FANTASTIC!
by Anonymous | reply 117 | November 18, 2018 11:09 PM |
I just watched it again. One of the cable channels is showing it. I thought most of the scenes were very realistic of a couple that just aren't going to make it. They probably never really had a chance. How embarrassing for Bernstein. I hope he learned something from it. Did he make any statements when she died? He seems like an okay guy on tv.
Is that what group therapy is like?
by Anonymous | reply 118 | November 18, 2018 11:10 PM |
Interesting foreshadowing where during the wedding scene, in Rachel’s bedroom, Mark asks Rachel where her shoes are—he then replies “I know everything about you”. But, in the post-labor scene of their second child, Mark asks what Rachel is eating, and their friends tell him “rice pudding, it’s her favorite”. Mark says, nervously, “I know”.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | November 19, 2018 1:30 AM |
[quote]in the post-labor scene of their second child, Mark asks what Rachel is eating, and their friends tell him “rice pudding, it’s her favorite”. Mark says, nervously, “I know”.
Daddy breezes in.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | November 19, 2018 3:12 AM |
I remember hearing then that Streep loved working with Nicholson (and, of course, the affair rumours) but that by the time they did "Ironweed", she just thought he was weird and lost interest. They really are good together in "Heartburn" though.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | November 19, 2018 4:06 PM |
[quote] What did Kael have to say about G/[R77] in that movie where she played the killer transvestite with the bad perm?
She hated Fatal Attraction, but she LOVED "G" in Dangerous Liaisons. She said it was G's finest acting performance on film.
I wished Kael was around when M did The Devil Wears Prada. I think she would have loved M in that film since it was a comedy and enjoyed M more in comedy than drama.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | November 19, 2018 4:34 PM |
[quote] What did Kael have to say about G/[[R77]] in that movie where she played the killer transvestite with the bad perm?
I thought you were talking about “Maxie”!
by Anonymous | reply 125 | November 19, 2018 4:37 PM |
I think Kael would've screamed at "Prada" with its bad 80s filmmaking 20 years later including rock song montages. I'm not even sure she would've liked Streep in it since it's a pretty external performance. A lot of tricks.
by Anonymous | reply 126 | November 19, 2018 5:46 PM |
I like whenever she has a bit of gossip, Catherine O'Hara taps her waterglass with a knife to get everyone's attention.
by Anonymous | reply 127 | November 19, 2018 8:32 PM |
When I watched it again, I noticed that the music to Coming Around Again was being played in the background. I like that.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | November 19, 2018 8:35 PM |
“If I’m such a bitch then TELL me...!”
by Anonymous | reply 129 | November 19, 2018 8:37 PM |
I thought Coming Around Again was so much better than Carly Simon's song in Working Girl, which won her the Oscar. I wish Coming had won it instead. It wasn't even nominated. I think the Working Girl song was kind of a consolation prize.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | November 19, 2018 8:41 PM |
The song was better than the film.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | November 20, 2018 7:43 AM |
Both Streep and Nicholson were horribly miscast in this. Such a labored movie.
And who knew that Pauline Kael had such die-hard sycophant fans who still wonder what she would have thought of movies made long after she was moldering in her grave. Must be all the film studies majors posting between shifts at the coffee house.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | November 20, 2018 4:16 PM |
Did Carly write Coming Around Again for Heartburn?
by Anonymous | reply 134 | November 20, 2018 4:51 PM |
yes Carly was a personal friend of Mike Nichols and by this time, the hits had long stopped for Carly. So movie soundtracks or scores became a career boost for her.
by Anonymous | reply 135 | November 26, 2018 7:57 PM |
R30, 32: Georgetown has been "dying" for decades. meanwhile the commercial district has revitalized all the way to Key Bridge (almost a mile from Wisconsin Avenue) and vacancies rarely stay empty long. A lot of teh old school bars and restaurants (most well beyond their prime) have exited in the past few years. But it still looks like Georgetown and draws enormous numbers of tourists, as well as locals (who don't like to admit going) every weekend.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | November 26, 2018 11:52 PM |
I'm an idiot ---but in real life, I never realized who Nora Ephron's ex hubs really was...when I read "Last Days" -I went, "WHhaaaa!?!?!"
by Anonymous | reply 137 | November 27, 2018 12:13 AM |
One imagines r137 is referring to "The Final Days," of course.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 138 | November 27, 2018 12:17 AM |
Why didn't they get Dustin Hoffman to reprise his role as Bernstein?
by Anonymous | reply 141 | November 27, 2018 7:21 PM |
I don’t think Meryl would would work with Dustin again.
by Anonymous | reply 142 | November 27, 2018 7:32 PM |
Kramer vs. Kramer was Hoffman vs. Streep
by Anonymous | reply 143 | November 27, 2018 7:33 PM |
Well, I hope he’s more attractive than Justin Henry!
by Anonymous | reply 145 | November 27, 2018 9:27 PM |
I don’t think there was much love lost between Dustin Hoffman and Mike Nichols either.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | November 27, 2018 9:42 PM |
What happened between Carly Simon and Libby Titus?
They are both connected to this film. They used to be great friends. Carly even wrote a song about her on Another Passenger.
But they had a falling out. Does anyone know why?
by Anonymous | reply 147 | November 27, 2018 9:49 PM |
I know Carl was a respected journalist, but he was ugly as shit.
Nora could have done better.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | November 27, 2018 9:49 PM |
Who was You're So Vain truly about?
by Anonymous | reply 149 | November 27, 2018 9:50 PM |
R149 Warren Beatty (with fictional touches)
by Anonymous | reply 150 | November 27, 2018 9:54 PM |
Excerpt from an upcoming biography on Mike Nichols, mostly focused on the making of Heartburn. Apparently it was not M who wanted Mandy fired.
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