Did Diane Keaton really deserve an Oscar for Annie Hall?

Posted by Lorie Orum on Monday, May 20, 2024

She beat out Jane Fonda in Julia, Anne Bancroft and Shirley MacLaine in The Turning Point and Marsha Mason in The Goodbye Girl.

I think all four were more deserved than Keaton who seemed to have just ridden on the coattails of Annie Hall that year.

by Anonymousreply 268April 21, 2022 3:58 AM

as has been said 7 zillion times on here she won it for the combination of Annie Hall & Goodbar.

by Anonymousreply 1April 14, 2022 12:24 AM

Yes, none of those were strong performances and Julia with 8 Oscar nominations and The Turning Point with 11 nominations were very overrated films. Not an outstanding year in film. Shelley Duval and Sissy Spacek were not nominated for Three Women.

by Anonymousreply 2April 14, 2022 12:30 AM

She deserved it for Goodbar.

by Anonymousreply 3April 14, 2022 12:31 AM

It was her performance on Goodbar that knocked people out and everyone went to see Goodbar on top of that people fell in love with her in Annie Hall.

(such a different era - "whoa!")

by Anonymousreply 4April 14, 2022 12:43 AM

I like some of her performances but the one she snagged the Oscar for was not high on my list. For my money, she has become too much of a one-note actor since winning that award.

by Anonymousreply 5April 14, 2022 12:48 AM

Diane Keaton was good but Anne Bancroft deserved that Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 6April 14, 2022 12:52 AM

Goodbar had 77 scenes and she was in all of them. The workload must have been enormous. I wonder what shape she was in after filming was finished.

by Anonymousreply 7April 14, 2022 12:58 AM

Diane Keaton's ANNIE HALL role is the only one among the nominated performances that can be called iconic. A rare instance where Woody Allen delivered some zeitgeist with her character (and the choice of late 80s fashion). Of course Fonda, MacLaine and Bancroft delivered more dramatic range and I favor them as actresses over Keaton. But their work wasn't outstanding compared to their Oscar wins. Keaton's Oscar win is well deserved even though LOOKING FOR MR. GOODBAR helped her to win for a comedy over the dramas. ANNIE HALL is the only one of the films I've watched repeatedly.

by Anonymousreply 8April 14, 2022 1:01 AM

All Oscar winners after 1967 were rubbish choices.

by Anonymousreply 9April 14, 2022 1:06 AM

Late 80's fashion? The movie came out in 1977!

by Anonymousreply 10April 14, 2022 1:10 AM

Annie Hall the character was pretty closely based on Keaton’s personality and style, no? So essentially playing herself wouldn’t be a stretch. That said it is an iconic performance I one of my all time favorite films. And yeah, Woody is a creep.

by Anonymousreply 11April 14, 2022 2:57 AM

I loved Fonda in Julia. I also loved Keaton in Goodbar. But I was never a fan of Annie Hall.

by Anonymousreply 12April 14, 2022 3:01 AM

I loved Annie Hall when it came out. LOVED it. But now I see it's really a homage to Woody himself disguised as being about her. Aren't i cute and quirky? all the pretty gurls love and adore me....etc...

by Anonymousreply 13April 14, 2022 3:10 AM

Wouldn't the votes for Maclaine and Bancroft have split?

by Anonymousreply 14April 14, 2022 3:16 AM

Yes.

They would have.

They did.

If only one had gone in Supporting, you bitch.

by Anonymousreply 15April 14, 2022 3:17 AM

LA-DI-DA, LA-DI-DA, Keaton sucked in Annie Hall!

by Anonymousreply 16April 14, 2022 4:48 AM

She also deserved an Oscar for Shoot the Moon.

by Anonymousreply 17April 14, 2022 4:59 AM

I thought Manhattan took that trophy, R13.

by Anonymousreply 18April 14, 2022 5:01 AM

No, but she did for Goodbar so it all evens out.

by Anonymousreply 19April 14, 2022 5:15 AM

[quote]W.A. films the most overrated of all time

you clearly just don't "get it"

by Anonymousreply 20April 14, 2022 5:29 AM

No, not at all. She should have been nominated and won for Looking for Mr. Goodbar.

by Anonymousreply 21April 14, 2022 5:30 AM

Tuesday Weld got the Oscar playing her sister or was she just nominated? She was very good, but Oscar worthy?

by Anonymousreply 22April 14, 2022 5:35 AM

[quote]No, not at all. She should have been nominated and won for Looking for Mr. Goodbar.

Can you be nominated for two films?

Keaton herself said she went to see Annie Hall and she herself thought "It's really not much...I've been very lucky".

by Anonymousreply 23April 14, 2022 5:38 AM

You can’t be nominated twice in the same category as an actor; it was possible in the very earliest years of the Academy Awards, but not since the early 1930s. Actors can be nominated in both lead and supporting in the same year, which happens occasionally. Scarlett Johansson is the most recent example, when she was nominated as lead for Marriage Story and in supporting for Jojo Rabbit.

This doesn’t apply to other categories. Even directors can be nominated twice, like Steven Soderbergh for both Traffic and Erin Brockovich.

by Anonymousreply 24April 14, 2022 5:50 AM

R20 there's nothing to get.

Much like "the point" of Seinfeld.

by Anonymousreply 26April 14, 2022 6:02 AM

R7, Especially after having had to deal with that prick Richard Brooks.

by Anonymousreply 27April 14, 2022 6:20 AM

R24, Janet Gaynor had three Best Actress nominations the year she won at the very first Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 28April 14, 2022 6:23 AM

Marsha Mason shouldn't have been nominated for Best Actress, especially in the company of the other four women/performances that year. That fifth spot belonged to Shelley Duvall for Three Women.

by Anonymousreply 29April 14, 2022 6:35 AM

I like her in Annie Hall but she was basically playing herself. There have been far worse winners so I am fine with it. Those 70’s gals (Jane, Meryl, Dianne, Faye, Liv, Ellen Burstyn, Vanessa etc) were divine.

by Anonymousreply 30April 14, 2022 6:36 AM

This thread will end in tears

by Anonymousreply 31April 14, 2022 7:12 AM

Diane Keaton was a deserving winner, but my choice for that year's Best Actress was Shelley Duvall in '3 Women' -- not only my favorite performance of 1977, but one of my favorite screen performances period. Sissy Spacek should have been nominated for that film as well, in addition to Gena Rowlands for 'Opening Night.'

by Anonymousreply 32April 14, 2022 2:12 PM

[quote]in addition to Gena Rowlands for 'Opening Night.'

Really? never saw that. I know she's a gay fave but I think she's a TERRIBLE actress.

I saw her in a more recent Parker Posey film and you could see her running her lines in her head.

by Anonymousreply 34April 14, 2022 2:35 PM

Wasn't 1978 "Woody's year" and Diane got swept up in it?

"Annie Hall" - Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Actress.

by Anonymousreply 35April 14, 2022 2:35 PM

If Judy Holiday could win in 1951 for Born Yesterday over Bette Davis in All About Eve and Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard, then YES Diane Keaton deserved hers.

R34, stop talking about what you haven't seen. Gena Rowlands was a fine actress.

by Anonymousreply 36April 14, 2022 2:37 PM

[quote]Wasn't 1978 "Woody's year" and Diane got swept up in it?

Oh, no she won it on her own merit

what I find odd is how she moved from such good films to such dreck - she likes to work so she keeps working even though the standards have dropped. all those ghastly frau comedies etc...

by Anonymousreply 37April 14, 2022 2:39 PM

Liza should've won for New York, New York!

by Anonymousreply 38April 14, 2022 2:40 PM

R34 Opening Night is currently streaming on HBOMax, check it out. Rowlands is excellent.

by Anonymousreply 39April 14, 2022 2:44 PM

"Charm" is a very difficult commodity to capture on the screen, and Keaton had it in spades. Had she never demonstrated her skills in other movies, it might have seemed more of an anomaly. But as has been noted she was great in Shoot the Moon, The Good Mother, Manhattan, Marvin's Room, Goodbar, Baby Boom, etc. Unlike Goldie Hawn, who could deliver little more than giddy charm throughout her career.

Yes, she has done SO much drek, too. But then she'll offer something near-great like Something's Got to Give.

by Anonymousreply 40April 14, 2022 2:44 PM

R37, Her performance in "Baby Boom" was much more Oscar worthy than "Annie Hall", but she wasn't even nominated.

"Shoot the Moon" and "Mrs. Soffel" are two of her films that are rarely mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 41April 14, 2022 2:48 PM

I saw many copies of the New York New York DVD at the Dollar Tree the other day.

by Anonymousreply 42April 14, 2022 2:50 PM

The issue for most of you may be that Keaton won for a comedy. Very unusual that Oscars are awarded to comedies or comic actors. That being said, Barbra Streisand was robbed in 1973 when Glenda Jackson won for A Touch of Class in 1973.

by Anonymousreply 43April 14, 2022 3:26 PM

Dianne made bad investments and failed at flipping houses. That’s why she will take any film.

by Anonymousreply 44April 14, 2022 3:50 PM

R8, Annie Hall didn't reflect the fashions of the day. The design community, followed by women everywhere, fell big-time for Keaton's wacky dress style and it BECAME the last word in hip. Nobody went to see Annie Hall dressed like that when it first came out except Diane.

by Anonymousreply 45April 14, 2022 4:00 PM

[quote]I loved Fonda in Julia.

If she won for Julia, they wouldn't have given it to her for Coming Home.

by Anonymousreply 46April 14, 2022 4:12 PM

Diane failed at flipping houses? You are high.

by Anonymousreply 47April 14, 2022 4:28 PM

[quote]The issue for most of you may be that Keaton won for a comedy. Very unusual that Oscars are awarded to comedies or comic actors. That being said, Barbra Streisand was robbed in 1973 when Glenda Jackson won for A Touch of Class in 1973.

IMO the most blatant robbery of an Oscar for a comic performance was when Lesley Ann Warren didn’t win Supporting Actress for her brilliant turn in Victor Victoria.

by Anonymousreply 48April 14, 2022 8:22 PM

Diane Keaton’s best performance is in The Good Mother. But she deserved her award for AH.

by Anonymousreply 49April 14, 2022 8:36 PM

The 1977 Best Actress line-up is the last time all 5 nominees appeared in films that were also nominated for Best Picture; it last happened at the 1940 Oscars. Conversely, it happens all the time with Best Actor, as recently as the 2020 nominations.

by Anonymousreply 50April 14, 2022 9:05 PM

The Turning Point did not age well - it is true dreck.

Looking For Mr. Goodbar was not well reviewed but she was expected to be nominated for either that or Annie Hall.

Annie Hall won Best Picture, Best Screenplay and Best Director and Allen made the audience fall in love with the woman at the centre of it. Keaton had also been giving terrific performances throughout the decade in both dramas and as a classic comedy duo with Allen. Plus, she was hip AF.

I don’t think it surprised anybody when she won on the night and The Turning Point with 11 nominations went home empty handed.

by Anonymousreply 51April 14, 2022 9:23 PM

I think Duvall should have been campaigned for supporting actress for 3 Women. I've seen way worse cases of category fraud and she would have had a much better shot getting into that category (but probably not winning).

by Anonymousreply 52April 14, 2022 9:26 PM

"The Turning Point" records some dazzling dancers (not just Baryshnikov) in their prime, which helps compensate for the dreck.

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by Anonymousreply 53April 14, 2022 9:32 PM

The Turning Point ought to be forgotten completely just for wasting two nominations on Baryshnikov and Browne.

by Anonymousreply 54April 14, 2022 9:34 PM

Martins deserved a nom for supporting Farrell so elegantly.

by Anonymousreply 55April 14, 2022 9:36 PM

All these years later, her Annie Hall is the only one of the nominated performances from that year that still sticks in my head. She WAS the movie.

by Anonymousreply 56April 14, 2022 9:41 PM

I like both Looking For Mr. Goodbar and Annie Hall better now than when I saw them in the 1970s.

To the 3 Women queens: I loved that movie, but no one saw it. Movie bombs do not produced Oscar nominations.

by Anonymousreply 57April 14, 2022 9:43 PM

I agree that the two supporting nominations for The Turning Point were completely ridiculous, but I don’t agree that the movie aged badly. There’s so much good in that film. This is one of my favorite scenes. It’s like a master class in acting between two legends.

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by Anonymousreply 58April 14, 2022 9:48 PM

In addition to acting in "Three Women", Duvall wrote or improvised much of Millie's dialogue.

by Anonymousreply 59April 14, 2022 9:50 PM

R58, Lauren Bacall campaigned hard for the Anne Bancroft role and was upset when Herbert Ross passed on her.

by Anonymousreply 60April 14, 2022 9:56 PM

So did everyone in every Robert Altman movie, R59.

by Anonymousreply 61April 14, 2022 9:57 PM

I just read this on Wikipedia about 3 Women:

[quote] On home video, the film never had a VHS release, and Altman said the film negative was beginning to deteriorate until it was repaired and remastered.[22] However, The Criterion Collection released the film on DVD in 2004, with a director's commentary.[22] Criterion re-released the film on Blu-ray in 2011.[23]

This is very odd. I first saw the movie in the summer of 1997 when i was in college. I rented it from the video store while I was living in NYC. On VHS.

by Anonymousreply 62April 14, 2022 10:00 PM

R60, there were so many actresses who either campaigned for one of the roles or who were considered by the producers. Grace Kelly wanted the Shirley MacLaine role, and Audrey Hepburn wanted the Anne Bancroft role. Doris Day and Joanne Woodward were also considered. And I’m sure there were plenty of others, including Lauren Bacall. It’s easy to understand, as both parts were extremely appealing to any actress in that age range.

by Anonymousreply 63April 15, 2022 1:34 AM

At the time, perhaps not.

But, people rarely discuss The Turning Point or Julia anymore. Her performance has stood the test of time.

by Anonymousreply 64April 15, 2022 1:48 AM

Keaton is our greatest comedic actress. I have to rewatch all the time the scene in Baby Boom where she loses it talking to the outdoor well repairman. It's brilliant comedy.

by Anonymousreply 65April 15, 2022 2:05 AM

No R65, she is not our greatest, she is your greatest.

by Anonymousreply 66April 15, 2022 2:58 AM

[quote]But, people rarely discuss The Turning Point or Julia anymore.

How often do people discuss Annie Hall anymore? There are very few roles or movies that are [italic]truly[/italic] iconic. Scarlett O’Hara and Gone With the Wind are pretty rare.

by Anonymousreply 67April 15, 2022 3:36 AM

Does Diane live in a retirement home now? Sad.

by Anonymousreply 68April 15, 2022 3:51 AM

The Turning Point is tied with The Color Purple for the most Oscar nominations (11) without a single win.

by Anonymousreply 69April 15, 2022 4:55 AM

Annie Hall was a splendid movie, too. So many great moments and scenes: Diane's horrible driving; visiting the Halls with scary Colleen Dewhurst, Grammy Hall, deranged Chris Walken; the movie theatre line where Woody conjures up Marshall McLuhan; Paul Simon's character, the guidos who accost Woody on the street..."This is Alvy Singer, look!" The movie was perfectly cast (down to the actors with 1 or 2 lines) and written and directed and captured a moment.

by Anonymousreply 70April 15, 2022 5:02 AM

I just watched Julia the other day. It is a beautiful looking film and Fonda is quite good as are Robards and Maximillian Schell. Redgrave is vibrant but I'm surprised at how small her role was. Poor Meryl and her terrible wig. The director actually sent her a letter of apology for making her wear it.

(oh and I don't believe a word of the whole smuggling thing. As was said about Hellman every word was a lie including "a" and "the."-----someone give the proper quote I don't know it.)

by Anonymousreply 71April 15, 2022 5:51 AM

Every word she writes is a lie, including “and” and “the.” - Mary McCarthy on Lillian Hellman

by Anonymousreply 72April 15, 2022 5:56 AM

R62, didn't you know that Wikipedia is unreliable?

by Anonymousreply 73April 15, 2022 1:08 PM

R65 I like Baby Boom and have watched it a few times since its original release. It was very polished and had a lot of snappy deliveries and one liners that seemed uproarious at the time: to Spader, “you would still be selling shirts at Barney’s if not for me.”

What it also had going for it (like Annie Hall) was capturing the pre-Black Monday years perfectly—yuppies, can women have it all, the once ubiquitous scene of odd characters vying for a job (the nanny), the fetishizing of country house decor, getting rich as the happy ending. All probably due to the Nancy Meyers writing formula. However, AH still seems fresh while BB seems dated, not just because of the trappings of its era but also because of its formula.

Charlie Shyer (Baby Boom) was also a mediocre director who brought nothing to the proceedings. It was propelled by Keaton’s charming performance, all the other performances, the writing, and the fantastic production design.

by Anonymousreply 74April 15, 2022 2:17 PM

I remember Rex Reed stating in his review of "Baby Boom" that Diane Keaton gave one of the best comic performances he'd ever seen on film.

by Anonymousreply 75April 15, 2022 2:22 PM

Ha ha ha, R75. Rex had certainly lost his chops by 1987.

Look, in this ridiculous atmosphere today of looking for the ONE and declaring every other person GOAT, can't we just appreciate a good and charismatic actress like Diane Keaton? In decades past, especially the Golden Age of Hollywood, there were a dozen good comic actresses, and and many who could do drama too. Diane Keaton is one of only a few of that kind from the 1970s-90s. There is no need for hyperbole. She was fun, and an excellent actress with the right material.

by Anonymousreply 76April 15, 2022 2:53 PM

Diane's performance in Annie Hall is like Liza's in Cabaret. Both were fresh and new at the time, but both actresses have milked those personas for all they were worth so that you view them now and wonder why they won.

I've watched a couple of Woody's movies, and while they have their moments of genius, they also aren't the masterpieces that people have been proclaiming for decades. And Woody exposes himself at times to be a real piece of shit, something that I don't think he's truly aware of. The scene in Annie Hall where Woody talks to Chris Walken's character is so mean spirited and hateful, given what Diane has said about her brothers' real life struggles with mental health. And Manhattan is such a fucking creepy piece of work in the way that he infantilizes the Mariel Hemingway character who's supposed to be in high school, but acts like she's five years old.

by Anonymousreply 77April 15, 2022 3:07 PM

I think she deserves it, out of the nominations.

When was the last time anybody watched or referenced Julia or The Turning Point? They're mostly forgotten. The Goodbye Girl is perhaps remembered a little more due to Richard Dreyfuss winning Best Actor for his charming but thoroughly coked-up performance (I genuinely like him in the role, but c'mon, it's obvious what's going on). Marsha Mason wasn't bad, but I think it was generally presumed that she got the role because she was married to the writer, not because she was a sublime actress.

Mention Annie Hall today and even people not born when it premiered instantly picture Diane Keaton dressed in her distinctive schlep chic clothing, saying "la-di-da." The word iconic is overused to the point of absurdity today, but with Annie Hall, it fits.

by Anonymousreply 78April 15, 2022 3:08 PM

[quote]Mention Annie Hall today and even people not born when it premiered instantly picture Diane Keaton dressed in her distinctive schlep chic clothing, saying "la-di-da."

No one under forty does this.

by Anonymousreply 79April 15, 2022 3:16 PM

R78, you don't seem to understand how it works. The members of the Academy voted on Best Actress for 1977 IN 1978. An Oscar win has nothing to do with what "will be remembered" in 44 years...or TWO years for that matter. And because fewer have seen Julia or The Turning Point does not make them lesser films or lesser performances - it only means those films haven't been run to death on cable and streaming services for the past 44 years. They are also more challenging to watch, require more from the viewer since they are not comedies. You don't drink beer and eat pizza with your buddies and put on The Turning Point.

by Anonymousreply 80April 15, 2022 8:11 PM

[quote]You don't drink beer and eat pizza with your buddies and put on The Turning Point.

This is a visual I cannot get out of my head now.

by Anonymousreply 81April 15, 2022 8:39 PM

[quote] You don't drink beer and eat pizza with your buddies and put on The Turning Point.

That might be because no straight man has ever seen The Turning Point.

by Anonymousreply 82April 15, 2022 9:01 PM

^ That's why it wasn't a bigger hit

by Anonymousreply 83April 15, 2022 9:54 PM

The only movies that have stood the test of time from 1977 are Star Wars, Saturday Night Fever and Close Encounters.

Donna Pescow should have been nominated over Leslie Brown for Turning Point.

by Anonymousreply 84April 15, 2022 10:07 PM

Is The Turning Point the 70s version of Black Swan? Or is Black swan the 2010 version of The Turning Point?

by Anonymousreply 85April 15, 2022 10:15 PM

Like "Rich and Famous," "The Turning Point" is a reboot of "Old Acquaintance."

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by Anonymousreply 86April 15, 2022 10:25 PM

[quote]The only movies that have stood the test of time from 1977 are Star Wars, Saturday Night Fever and Close Encounters.

That they're popular, that's the criteria? The 1970s were FULL og great films, and you choose only the $$$. IDIOT.

by Anonymousreply 87April 16, 2022 1:10 AM

[quote]Is The Turning Point the 70s version of Black Swan?

No, The Turning Point is actually a good movie.

by Anonymousreply 88April 16, 2022 1:17 AM

[quote]Like "Rich and Famous," "The Turning Point" is a reboot of "Old Acquaintance."

No. Only Rich and Famous was derived from Old Acquaintance.

by Anonymousreply 89April 16, 2022 1:22 AM

R89 Exactly. That would be like saying Death Becomes Her is based on Old Acquaintance.

by Anonymousreply 90April 16, 2022 1:28 AM

I found The Turning Point (whole movie for free) on youtube last year.

It's kind of soapy and too much ballet for me. The big cat fight between the two stars makes it worth seeing though.

by Anonymousreply 92April 16, 2022 1:39 AM

Unless you were really into dance, "The Turning Point" was merely sudsy melodrama. Baryshnikov wasn't bad but Leslie Browne (the daughter) was awful), but fortunately she could dance. The 70s and 80s were a kind of heyday for dance---new ballet and dance companies were springing up all over the place. Absent that, there was no real reason for the movie. The cast includes Marshall Thompson (star of many grade-Z 50s horror films) as Bancroft's love interest--not a good sign.

Bancroft was not bad, but also not Oscar worthy--she overacts in spots but is basically forced to make the best of an unsympathetic role. MacLaine isn't bad, but it isn't a great part and she lacked the range to make it very interesting. The dancing is the real star here and if you weren't a fan, it wasn't a lot of fun.

"Annie Hall" stood out that year because it was a relatively fresh take on relationships and it was full of great moments like Alvie meeting Annie's anti-semetic grandmother, Christopher Walken's craziness, and the Marshall McLuhan cameo. Whether Keaton was playing herself or not, it was better than watching Bancroft and MacLaine.

by Anonymousreply 93April 16, 2022 1:45 AM

Marsha Mason was ok, but "Goodbye Girl" was just a Neil Simon sitcom with all manner of predictable gags and twists. Julia is not as strong a Fonda performance as "Klute" or "Coming Home", plus it bacame known waht a liar Lillian hellman had been.

by Anonymousreply 94April 16, 2022 1:48 AM

Everyone knows the best performance that year was Sally Field in Smokey and the Bandit.

by Anonymousreply 95April 16, 2022 1:51 AM

Actually, Jackie Gleason was fantastic in Smokey & The Bandit and I would have advocated for a supporting actor nom for him in it. It was a terrific comedic performance, and certainly more worthy than Baryshnikov.

by Anonymousreply 96April 16, 2022 1:56 AM

[quote]The 1970s were FULL og great films

We're talking about 1977. Not the 1970's. Try and keep up.

[quote]and you choose only the $$$.

I'm talking about movies that have still managed to be culturally relevant forty-five years after the fact. I would even add Smoky and the Bandit to that list since it's beloved classic among certain groups.

Annie Hall, like most of Woody's movies just haven't aged well. He's more known today for his perverted, sick offscreen behavior than any of his movies.

Even The Goodbye Girl has aged better.

by Anonymousreply 97April 16, 2022 2:40 AM

It's funny that Saturday Night Fever and Annie Hall are both from 1977. Annie Hall is as fresh today as when it was released and SNF is so dated as to be camp.

by Anonymousreply 98April 16, 2022 2:55 AM

No one under eighty gives a fuck about Woody the perv.

by Anonymousreply 99April 16, 2022 3:03 AM

It's believed that the reason Turning Point was shut out at the Academy Awards is because the studio did not allow it to be shown on the Z channel during the voting period. That might sound stupid, but Z Channel was sort of the screening room to the Hollywood elite in the 70s and all the other nominees, including Annie Hall, had week long runs on the channel.

by Anonymousreply 100April 16, 2022 3:40 AM

Leslie Browne was terrible and she played herself! Shirl's character was based on Browne's mother.

by Anonymousreply 101April 16, 2022 3:45 AM

Don't forget that Turning Point was written by DL fave Arthur Laurents.

by Anonymousreply 102April 16, 2022 3:55 AM

Herbert Ross and Nora Kaye were Browne's godparents.

by Anonymousreply 103April 16, 2022 4:04 AM

R76 who arguably is better though? I can’t really think of anyone who can do both that well.

by Anonymousreply 104April 16, 2022 4:04 AM

Playing herself or not, Keaton could act. Leslie Browne could not and that' part of what makes "The Turning Point" pretty unwatchable unless you like to watch dancing.

by Anonymousreply 105April 16, 2022 4:07 AM

Y'all are making me want to watch The Turning Point again. Haven't seen it in decades.

by Anonymousreply 106April 16, 2022 4:55 AM

It's so odd that Sissy Spacek didn't receive a Supporting Actress nomination this year for 3 Women. She won the New York Film Critics prize in that category.

She was hot off Carrie and the category was pretty weak (Browne etc.)

by Anonymousreply 107April 16, 2022 5:04 AM

Bacall wanted to play the Bancroft aging ballerina role with her size 9 feet?

by Anonymousreply 108April 16, 2022 5:23 AM

R102, And he was Shirley's date at the 1978 Oscars.

by Anonymousreply 109April 16, 2022 5:25 AM

Spacek was even better in "Badlands" a few years before, but, as with "Three Women", it was not seen by enough people to get the nom she deserved.

by Anonymousreply 110April 16, 2022 5:27 AM

Browne's character was based on Gelsey Kirkland. Kirkland was signed to do the movie but hated the script so much that she starved herself down to 77 pounds and got fired. I found it hilarious that Browne came to hate the film. During the 80s when everyone was renting movies, Browne said that she rents a movie every night but The Turning Point is one she'd never consider renting.

by Anonymousreply 111April 16, 2022 5:41 AM

"The Turning Point" is not a movie anyone needs to watch twice.

by Anonymousreply 112April 16, 2022 6:25 AM

Wasn't 3 WOMEN largely overlooked because it was a critic's darling but pretty much ignored by the public?

by Anonymousreply 113April 16, 2022 12:54 PM

R113, Robert Altman may have been the critics' darling, but he was not beloved in Hollywood, especially by the stodgy members of the Academy in those days.

by Anonymousreply 114April 16, 2022 2:54 PM

[quote]"The Turning Point" is not a movie anyone needs to watch twice.

I re-saw it and was surprised how much I enjoyed it. It's not just boring dancing and everyone loves to see New York in the '70s.

by Anonymousreply 115April 16, 2022 3:56 PM

From the American girls, Duvall for 3 Women was the most unique and memorable for me. I also prefer Keaton in Mr. Goodbar, but Annie Hall is still a nice performance. There’s some magic in the scene where she sings “Seems Like Old Times”, almost directly into the camera, with a glint in her eye.

Julia is one of Jane’s best roles to me. I think the train ride sequence is excruciatingly tense, basically a very long closeup of her face and that pill box hat. She and the hat both give amazing performances, the hat probably should have received Lesley Browne's nomination.

I like Bancroft in the Turning Point. For me MacLaine is just giving another one of her sharp-tongued curmudgeonly older woman performances, although her dialogue here is better.

Lots of good foreign performances too, as usual. Isabelle Huppert in The Lacemaker. Simone Signoret in Madame Rosa. The young girl playing the title role in Iphigenia was incredible. I probably would have given lead and supporting Oscars to her and Irene Papas for the movie, it was nominated for Foreign Film.

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by Anonymousreply 116April 16, 2022 4:05 PM

[quote] Robert Altman may have been the critics' darling, but he was not beloved in Hollywood, especially by the stodgy members of the Academy in those days.

Yeah, that's why two years prior he had been nominated for an Oscar for Nashville, which itself received several nominations, including Best Picture.

by Anonymousreply 117April 16, 2022 7:47 PM

3 Woman was too bizarre for the older, more conservative Academy members at that time. Even many the critics who liked it admitted that they had trouble following the last half. Some even had to go back and watch it again before they wrote their reviews.

And not all the big critics gave it raves. Pauline Kael, who up to that point had been Altman's biggest champion in the media, gave it a mixed review, which ended their friendship.

by Anonymousreply 118April 17, 2022 1:50 AM

[quote]3 Woman was too bizarre for the older, more conservative Academy members at that time.

3 Women was too weird for the majority of the movie going public, let alone the Academy. Critics mean nothing if you don't have the public, R118.

by Anonymousreply 119April 17, 2022 1:59 AM

R117, Yeah, and won just one Oscar, for Best Original Song.

by Anonymousreply 120April 17, 2022 4:06 AM

Robert Altman was as beloved by Academy members as Spike Lee is today.

Not much.

by Anonymousreply 121April 17, 2022 4:09 AM

The academy doesn't vote based on what will age well in the future because that's a ridiculous concept. Keaton probably won because she had those two movies, Goodbar and Annie Hall, similar to how they were able to reward Jessica Lange for Frances by giving it to her for Tootsie, which was ridiculous. The fact that Baryshnikov and especially Leslie Brown got nominations shows how stupid things can get.

by Anonymousreply 122April 17, 2022 4:12 AM

I think Keaton is much better in Annie Hall than in Looking for Mr. Goodbar, which is a sloppy adaptation. She never really clicks as Theresa. One doesn't sense her pathos and doesn't object to her brutal murder. Annie Hall is iconic, ditsy, lovely, warm and winning. It's one of the great comedic performances. If I was an Oscar voter that year, I'd probably have given it to Marsha Mason, who managed to make her character's unlikability very endearing.

by Anonymousreply 123April 17, 2022 4:14 AM

R122, Lange deserved the Oscar for Frances, you're right, but she was also fantastic in Tootsie. Read the reviews of her work at the time, plus she won several other supporting awards. It wasn't just the Oscar so I don't know how you can call it ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 124April 17, 2022 4:16 AM

Lange's performance in Tootsie is one of the most forgotten performances because people clearly associate her win with her loss for Frances. I find it hard to remember one single scene she did in it, whereas I remember a lot of Teri Garr's performance.

by Anonymousreply 125April 17, 2022 4:27 AM

R125, everyone then and now was in awe of the scene when she's in bed with Dorothy Michaels and talks about the wallpaper she chose with her mother. It's unbelievably poignant. Read the vintage reviews, dude.

by Anonymousreply 126April 17, 2022 4:30 AM

Lange was dreadful in "Tootsie" except for introducing herself as the hospital slut. Keaton was better in Annie Hall than in "Goodbar". I had read the book and she just seemed all wrong---they needed someone who could go from Catholic school girl to adventurous (and dangerous) and go back. I had a grad school classmate who was exactly like that.

by Anonymousreply 127April 17, 2022 4:32 AM

Teri Garr was so much better than Jessica Lange in Tootsie, but the award should have gone to Leslie Ann Warren for Victor/Victoria.

by Anonymousreply 128April 17, 2022 5:10 AM

Lange would never have won for Tootsie in any other year.

by Anonymousreply 129April 17, 2022 5:12 AM

Lange gave a very delicate performance which no one else of that era could have delivered. DL queens who accuse her of overacting always forget how subtle her performance is in Tootsie. I've read so many interviews with people that said when they watched the wallpaper scene, they knew the Oscar was hers.

by Anonymousreply 130April 17, 2022 5:25 AM

I've never read an interview that said the wallpaper scene won her the Award. Everyone said she won because Streep would obviously win the Best Actress award for Sophie's Choice.

by Anonymousreply 131April 17, 2022 5:28 AM

R131, what's your point? You just haven't read many insightful interviews and subscribe to conventional thought?

by Anonymousreply 132April 17, 2022 5:29 AM

R46 She wasn't outstanding in either Julia or Coming Home

by Anonymousreply 133April 17, 2022 5:44 AM

R131, point being you're a tiresome Lange loon who spouted a stupid statement and was unable to provide proof. But hey, it's DL and you can't handle someone not appreciating your viewpoint.

by Anonymousreply 134April 17, 2022 5:47 AM

R130 that wallpaper scene is cringeworthy and not because of her acting

by Anonymousreply 135April 17, 2022 5:50 AM

I disagree about Julia. I think it’s a great film. Jane Fonda deserved the Oscar for the cafe scene alone, but Keaton was a good second choice.

by Anonymousreply 136April 17, 2022 6:21 AM

[quote]but the award should have gone to Leslie Ann Warren for Victor/Victoria.

Blake Edwards screwed LAW over by showing her pubic hair.

But Lange was so brilliant in Frances that she had to win supporting since everyone knew Streep was winning for Sophie’s.

by Anonymousreply 137April 17, 2022 6:24 AM

[quote] Yeah, and won just one Oscar, for Best Original Song.

So? Try making an actual point.

by Anonymousreply 138April 17, 2022 6:28 AM

Jane Fonda was terrific in Julia. If she'd won, then Jill Clayburgh would have won the Oscar she deserved the following year.

by Anonymousreply 139April 17, 2022 6:50 AM

I still think Jane deserved to win over everyone else for 1978. I actually liked her performance in Comes A Horseman better than Coming Home. I also thought CAH was a lovely little underrated gem.

by Anonymousreply 140April 17, 2022 7:04 AM

Jill Clayburgh's performance in An Unmarried Woman is one of the greatest of the 1970s, alongside Fonda's in Klute, DeNiro's in Taxi Driver, Adjani's in Adele H., and Dunaway's in Network.

by Anonymousreply 141April 17, 2022 7:56 AM

R141, Not Streisand in "The Way We Were"?

by Anonymousreply 142April 17, 2022 8:03 AM

r141 nice post but it is Miss Dunaway not Dunaway, salad boy.

by Anonymousreply 143April 17, 2022 8:05 AM

R138, Here's an actual point for you . . . Why don't you take your "Nashville" DVD and shove it up your shit crusted ass?

by Anonymousreply 144April 17, 2022 8:06 AM

Leslie Browne was also nominated for the prestigious Golden Globe so what do you queens know about acting?

by Anonymousreply 145April 17, 2022 8:21 AM

[quote] Here's an actual point for you . . . Why don't you take your "Nashville" DVD and shove it up your shit crusted ass?

That still wouldn't change the fact that you were wrong.

by Anonymousreply 146April 17, 2022 8:29 AM

R7 Oh like she was digging ditches or shoveling shit.

by Anonymousreply 147April 17, 2022 8:34 AM

For me, the person sadly overlooked in NASHVILLE was Lily Tomlin. Although Lee Grant and Ronnee Blakely were pretty good, too.

by Anonymousreply 148April 17, 2022 1:38 PM

Nashville had some good performances and set pieces but the whole thing was a bit of a mess. Altman's approach to production didn't work well for everything. MASH is still genius as is the more conventional Gosford Park (except for Stephen Fry).

by Anonymousreply 149April 17, 2022 3:47 PM

JULIA was the first serious role for Jane Fonda after the Hanoi Jane period, it was a comeback. There wasn't much after Klute because no one would hire her for a big commercial film. Fun with Dick and Jane was one, then Julia. I love the film and love Fonda in Julia, but you must understand WHY it got so much press and attention at the time. If Julia had come out in 1982, that wouldn't have been part of its appeal.

by Anonymousreply 150April 17, 2022 4:15 PM

Tuesday Weld was the standout in Goodbar. Pauline Kael described Annie Hall as "the neurotic's version of Abie's Irish Rose and the TV series Bridget Loves Bernie."

On a related note, did Geena Davis deserve an Oscar for the Accidental Tourist? She got no other awards or nominations for that performance.

by Anonymousreply 151April 17, 2022 4:29 PM

Kael championed Nashville neglecting its incoherence. She was at peak contrarianism. That was fine for awhile, but once she made it ok to take seriously a violent film like Bonnie & Clyde or thumb your nose at inept arthouse fare and bad foreign films, she became less and less relevant and more obviously unable to write a coherent sentence.

by Anonymousreply 152April 17, 2022 4:35 PM

Jessica won for Tootsie because she had been nominated for two performances, not because she deserved it for Frances. No one else was going to win best actress, because the winner was always going to be Meryl.

by Anonymousreply 153April 17, 2022 4:36 PM

The only supporting performance I know of where one scene won it was Beatrice Straight for Network because it was her only scene.

by Anonymousreply 154April 17, 2022 4:37 PM

Pauline Kael was a crank. I cringe whenever people cite her like some oracle.

by Anonymousreply 155April 17, 2022 4:38 PM

Speaking of movies, has anyone actually gone back and watched Sophie's Choice in all these years? I'm curious as to how that holds up.

At the time, people acted like Streep gave the greatest performance in film history.

by Anonymousreply 156April 17, 2022 4:39 PM

She did. The work holds up. She and Vivien Leigh.

by Anonymousreply 157April 17, 2022 4:40 PM

Kael was brilliant. Even if you disagree with her, you can still discuss her work with honesty. Unlike someone like John Simon.

by Anonymousreply 158April 17, 2022 4:41 PM

[Quote] The only supporting performance I know of where one scene won

Jennifer Hudson

by Anonymousreply 159April 17, 2022 4:45 PM

[quote]Kael was brilliant. Even if you disagree with her, you can still discuss her work with honesty.

I was addicted to Pauline Kael in the 1970s-80s. I agreed with her only 50% of the time, but I loved her writing and insights. After her, all you had was bitches like Rex Reed (whom I liked), 'serious' people like Andrew Sarris (whom I didn't like), the mentally ill (John Simon), and movie 'reviewers' who really wanted to be reporters.

by Anonymousreply 160April 17, 2022 5:00 PM

I liked Vincent Canby from the NY Times as well. There was another one there who was good as well, I can't remember her name.

by Anonymousreply 161April 17, 2022 5:03 PM

I think she's brilliant in the flashback scenes in Sophie's Choice (even outside of the 'choice' scene). But the weird schmaltzy soap opera acting in the parts with Peter Macnicol and Kevin Kline really drag it the fuck down. And it's most of the performance.

I actually would have given the award that year to Jill Clayburgh for 'I'm Dancing As Fast As I Can.' The movie sucks but she is excellent as an alpha film director who falls deep into the throes of drug addiction. Also love Lange and Julie Andrews this year.

by Anonymousreply 162April 17, 2022 5:03 PM

[quote] Jennifer Hudson

No, dear. They meant that the actor only had one scene in the movie, period, not one scene that won it for them. Beatrice Straight was literally in one scene in Network.

I can't remember if Judi Dench was in more than one scene of Shakespeare in Love, but hers was the shortest Oscar winning role since Straight's.

Geraldine Page was in one single scene of The Pope of Greenwich Village and was nominated for an Oscar, but did not win. (I would have given it to Page for that, she was brilliant in it.)

by Anonymousreply 163April 17, 2022 5:07 PM

I don’t think anyone cites Kael as an oracle, just as someone who’s funny /entertaining and occasionally insightful.

by Anonymousreply 164April 17, 2022 5:07 PM

R164, she's been gone for so long but she still influenced so many critics that they became known as Paulies or Kaelites.

Any actor or actress at that time wanted to be reviewed by her because if she really liked you, Hollywood would definitely listen. She mentioned "Where are you going" in her review of "Carrie" and almost certainly, "Smooth Talk" got made because of it. I think that's why Streep is so negative about Kael because I think her approval really meant something to her and when she didn't get it, she attacked.

by Anonymousreply 165April 17, 2022 5:12 PM

Even when I disagree with Streep (often) I find her wildly entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 166April 17, 2022 5:18 PM

More Kael on Annie Hall:

"There was self-love as well as self-hatred involved in Annie Hall, however; Alvy was very quick to decide that almost everyone connected with show business (except for him) was a sellout. Though the story, which turned into a conflict between East Coast and West Coast, faded before it worked itself out, that fading became part of the meaning: relationships fail, and we're not quite sure why. Diane Keaton's Annie was full of thoughts that wilted as she tried to express them, and her lyrical, apologetic kookiness gave the film softness, elusiveness. She was fluttery and unsure about everything, yet she went her own way, leaving Alvy to continue his love affair with death--an affair that he seemed to think represented integrity and high seriousness. What made the movie run down and dribble away was that while Woody Allen showed us what a guilt-ridden, self-absorbed killjoy Alvy Singer was, always judging everyone, he (and not as Alvy) seemed bewildered that Annie wearied of Alvy's obsessions and preferred to move on and maybe even have some fun. By the end, Alvy and the story had disappeared; there was nothing left but Woody Allen's sadness."

by Anonymousreply 167April 17, 2022 5:28 PM

A great example of Pauline’s gibberish

by Anonymousreply 168April 17, 2022 5:34 PM

R168, that's why Kael was so great. She wrote something that one finds gibberish but others like myself find tremendously insightful. In retrospect, she was talking about Allen whom she knew socially but understood how much of himself he placed into the movie. And yes, Alvy was a killjoy.

by Anonymousreply 170April 17, 2022 5:36 PM

I don't know if she reviewed it, but Kael likely would have had multiple orgasms of Lange in Frances and would have panned Streep again in Sophie's choice for being too stagey. Lange's performance is totally what Kael loved: Spontaneous, raw, undisciplined and immersive.

by Anonymousreply 171April 17, 2022 5:41 PM

R163, the "one scene" discussion started with the claim that Lange won for Tootsie due to a single scene (something about wallpaper, a scene I cannot recall, and I've seen the movie many times). So my point still stands.

by Anonymousreply 172April 17, 2022 5:42 PM

Frances is never listed in the best performances. The only place I see it mentioned is on Datalounge

by Anonymousreply 173April 17, 2022 5:47 PM

R150, that's not quite accurate. After Klute and as she continued to become more politically active, Fonda turned down many mainstream films, including famously The Exorcist.

by Anonymousreply 174April 17, 2022 5:49 PM

Kael didn't review Frances (she didn't review Annie Hall, either; the comments above are from her review of Stardust Memories in 1980), but of Meryl in Sophie's Choice she wrote:

"Streep is very beautiful at times, and she does amusing, nervous bits of business, like fidgeting with a furry boa--her fingers twiddling with our heatstrings. She has, as usual, put thought and effort into her work. But something about her work puzzles me: after I've seen her in a movie I can't visualize her from the neck down. Is it possible that as an actress she makes herself into a blank and then focusses all her attention on only one thing--the toss of her head, for example, in Manhattan, her accent here? Maybe, by bringing an unwarranted intensity to one facet of a performance, she in effect decorporealizes herself."

by Anonymousreply 175April 17, 2022 5:50 PM

r175, unrelated, but I was just rewatching The Grifters last night (great, economical filmmaking), and I was struck by how physical Anjelica Huston (and Annette Bening) were in their performances. When you think about the denouement, you remember as much about how Huston's body writhed and wheezed than the actual actions or facial acting. I remember thinking it was underrated just how brilliant Huston's performance was (superior to Kathy Bates, though I won't begrudge Bates' Oscar, as it was a fantastic performance that I just happen to think was slightly less than Huston's).

I feel much the same about Streep in Sophie's Choice; it's just not as kinetic or raw as Lange in Frances. I do think it's a terrific performance (especially in flashback), but Sophie's Choice is an overlong melodrama and it feels like most people, when they cite Streep's performance, immediately talk about their own horror if they had the same predicament as Sophie. It's rarely about the performance but the emotion elicited by the scenario. What Streep does in The Dingo Ate My Baby is a lot more subtle and much more powerful IMO.

by Anonymousreply 178April 17, 2022 5:56 PM

R177, #2 on the list is Liz Taylor in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf. Insert Joan Rivers' joke.

by Anonymousreply 179April 17, 2022 5:59 PM

R178, an interesting observation is that Streep somewhat struggled with the Australian accent which was why it was one of, if not her best performance.

by Anonymousreply 180April 17, 2022 6:01 PM

[quote] the "one scene" discussion started with the claim that Lange won for Tootsie due to a single scene (something about wallpaper, a scene I cannot recall, and I've seen the movie many times). So my point still stands.

No, you responded directly to the person who stated Beatrice Straight won for one scene. It's okay to admit you're wrong. Your world won't crumble.

by Anonymousreply 181April 17, 2022 6:21 PM

R174, it doesn't matter how many offers Fonda (really) had, she didn't appear in a big budget Hollywood drama except for Julia between 1971 and 1977.

by Anonymousreply 182April 17, 2022 6:23 PM

R177, That list does not include Vivien Leigh for "GWTW"?

by Anonymousreply 183April 17, 2022 6:34 PM

R182, no it matters. She was offered roles but turned them down. Then when she was ready to make Hollywood money again to support her causes it took a bit of an adjustment. Fonda had to make the unwatchable Fun with Dick and Jane before landing Julia (after Streisand turned it down).

by Anonymousreply 184April 17, 2022 6:43 PM

R181, I'm so sorry that reading compression is beyond you.

by Anonymousreply 185April 17, 2022 7:26 PM

Sure, Jan. "Autocorrect."

by Anonymousreply 187April 17, 2022 7:37 PM

Here's the dialogue from Jessica Lange's highly-touted "wallpaper" scene for you folks with premature Alzheimer's:

A touching scene occurred before they fell asleep, when Julie described her mother's preferred suggestion of wallpaper for her room, as Dorothy listened next to her:

I don't remember her very well. I remember her helping me pick out this wallpaper. I'd chosen one with great big, purple flowers on it. And she said to me, 'Just remember that once you choose it, it's gonna cover the walls of your room for a long, long time.' So I tried to imagine what those big, purple flowers were goona look like on all the walls of my room every night when I was falling asleep and every morning when I was getting dressed. So I said to her, 'Which one would you choose, Mom?' And she said, 'The one with the daisies and the little rosebuds because daisies are such homey flowers and rosebuds are so cheerful and always waiting to bloom.'...I made a million plans looking at this wallpaper. I was always waiting for these rosebuds to open....

Dorothy reached out to gently stroke Julie's hair, and she responded: "That's nice. My mother used to do that too, sometimes."

by Anonymousreply 188April 17, 2022 7:52 PM

No one cares about wallpaper, this is a thread about Diane Keaton

by Anonymousreply 189April 17, 2022 8:42 PM

I read and have read Kael religiously since the 60s. We used to wait eagerly for the arrival of the New Yorker every time her column would be included. Her review of Funny Girl was thrilling in that it confirmed my hopes that Streisand would break out with this film. I still look up to see if she had commented on a movie I'm about to watch. However . . . in the final analysis it is just her opinion, as articulately and entertainingly as it is usually rendered, and she's never altered my own.

by Anonymousreply 190April 17, 2022 8:52 PM

Best to read Kael AFTER you've seen the movie, R190.

Note Pauline Kael only wrote in the New Yorker for six months a year. The other time we got Penelope Gilliatt, who was a dull pain in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 191April 17, 2022 9:40 PM

[QUOTE] The only supporting performance I know of where one scene won it was Beatrice Straight for Network because it was her only scene.

Straight actually has TWO scenes in Network. Before her big Oscar scene, she appears briefly to come tell William Holden in bed that Peter Finch has left their apartment earlier that morning after spending the night on their couch.

by Anonymousreply 192April 17, 2022 9:57 PM

R192, And unlike what someone posted above, Geraldine Page had more than one scene in "Pete 'n' Tillie".

by Anonymousreply 193April 17, 2022 10:43 PM

[quote] [R192], And unlike what someone posted above, Geraldine Page had more than one scene in "Pete 'n' Tillie".

She may have had more than one scene in Pete n Tillie, but the movie that was mentioned was The Pope of Greenwich Village.

by Anonymousreply 194April 17, 2022 10:45 PM

R194, But she WAS nominated for "Pete 'n' Tillie".

by Anonymousreply 195April 17, 2022 10:49 PM

What point are you trying to make, R195? Page was nominated for her (one scene) performance in The Pope of Greenwich Village too.

by Anonymousreply 196April 17, 2022 10:56 PM

R196, Just this . . .

The Pope of Greenwich Village (1984)

"Nominated for an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, Geraldine Page was on screen in only two scenes, with a total running time of approximately eight minutes."

by Anonymousreply 197April 17, 2022 11:02 PM

Page is indeed in two scenes in Pope of Greenwich Village. The first is with her character’s son Walter and the second is the one with the detectives following Walter’s death. There’s a horrible continuity flaw at the end of her second scene-in one shot she’s holding a cigarette in her left hand and a drink in her right and in the next shot (which is on the back of her) they’re reversed.

by Anonymousreply 199April 17, 2022 11:20 PM

Viola Davis had one single scene in the movie Doubt, in which she is walking down the street with Meryl Streep‘s character discussing her son. She was nominated for an Oscar for that performance.

by Anonymousreply 200April 17, 2022 11:31 PM

Also in the movie Network, Ned Beatty played a network executive who lectures Peter Finch. He had one single scene in the movie and was nominated for an Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 201April 17, 2022 11:34 PM

R200, the scene begins with her going to Sister Aloysius’ office and then they go outside for the walk. Technically it’s two scenes.

by Anonymousreply 202April 17, 2022 11:45 PM

The character's role in DOUBT onstage had one scene, IIRC, and it won a Tony for Adriane Lenox.

by Anonymousreply 203April 17, 2022 11:53 PM

Of course, r191, I do that as well. Doesn't make much difference to me.

by Anonymousreply 204April 17, 2022 11:55 PM

[quote]the scene begins with her going to Sister Aloysius’ office and then they go outside for the walk. Technically it’s two scenes.

🙄

by Anonymousreply 205April 18, 2022 12:05 AM

R177 Bullshit. Charlize isn't in the top 25 though there's Basinger in LA Confidential

by Anonymousreply 206April 18, 2022 5:43 AM

Michelle Williams' features in a flashback but it's obviously one short scene she's nominated for in Manchester by the Sea.

by Anonymousreply 207April 18, 2022 5:44 AM

Doesn't Patricia Neal hold the record for the Best Actress winner with the least amount of screen time in "Hud"?

by Anonymousreply 208April 18, 2022 5:47 AM

What's any of this got to do with Diane Keaton? Patrice O'Neal is not a woman.

by Anonymousreply 209April 18, 2022 5:52 AM

R208 Probably, she's barely in it.

by Anonymousreply 210April 18, 2022 6:06 AM

I used to have this book...

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by Anonymousreply 211April 18, 2022 6:07 AM

Beatrice Straight is actually in 3 scenes in Network. The two mentioned above plus she is seen watching Howard's mad as hell speech.

by Anonymousreply 212April 18, 2022 6:14 AM

Yes Patricia Neal is the shortest Best Actress performance.

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by Anonymousreply 213April 18, 2022 6:15 AM

R213, And that was not a sympathy win, like Elizabeth's for "Butterfield 8". Patricia Neal won well before she became ill.

by Anonymousreply 215April 18, 2022 1:56 PM

R212, you’re so right. I had forgotten that she appears briefly in the “Mad as Hell!” scene.

I think Beatrice Straight’s acceptance speech is one of the most lovely and gracious ones (and short) in Academy history. She acknowledges that she was the “dark horse” in the race and is wearing a beautiful powdery blue color that really complements her red hair.

by Anonymousreply 216April 18, 2022 3:00 PM

Brief scenes in which characters appear with no dialogue hardly count. And you don’t get an Oscar nomination for that. So if they had only one scene in which they have dialogue, that’s all that matters.

by Anonymousreply 217April 18, 2022 3:10 PM

They're still acting in reaction shots. I remember Michael York and Jacqueline Bisset saying the most difficult thing they ever did was Albert Finney's explanation of the crime in Murder on the Orient Express (1974); because of all the different set-ups, it had to be shot over and over and over and over, and they had to be in character, even when they weren't in camera range, so that they were still feeding "reactions" to Finney.

by Anonymousreply 218April 18, 2022 3:15 PM

[QUOTE] Brief scenes in which characters appear with no dialogue hardly count. And you don’t get an Oscar nomination for that. So if they had only one scene in which they have dialogue, that’s all that matters.

This isn’t hopscotch. They “count” in this particular discussion because people have been emphatically stating that certain actors appeared in one scene (and one scene only in a film) and won their Oscars for it. That big scene may have been what brought them the actual Oscar, but they may appear in the background or have one or two lines in other scenes in the film.

by Anonymousreply 219April 18, 2022 4:05 PM

R217, Honey, I won an Oscar without uttering a single syllable.

by Anonymousreply 220April 18, 2022 4:19 PM

r220 - Hi Jane! Quick question...how much did this put you out?

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by Anonymousreply 221April 18, 2022 4:27 PM

R221, Not a cent. Maureen paid for it before she died.

by Anonymousreply 222April 18, 2022 4:31 PM

Has anyone ever won both lead and supporting Oscars in thr same year?

And if so, for the same film?

by Anonymousreply 223April 18, 2022 4:36 PM

r223, back in 1945, Barry Fitzgerald was nominated for both Best Actor and Best Supporting Actor for the same role in Going My Way; he won for Supporting. The Academy changed the rules so it could never happen again.

During the war, the Oscar statuettes were made of plaster due to the recycling of metal for the war effort (after the war, the Academy replaced the winner's statuettes with proper metal awards); anyway, Fitzgerald claims he was practicing his golf swing in his living room and accidentally decapitated his Oscar; here's a pic of the catastrophe.

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by Anonymousreply 224April 18, 2022 4:45 PM

R218 that’s quite different. Those two actors were part of the supporting cast with multiple scenes. They didn’t have just one single scene with dialogue. Totally different concept.

by Anonymousreply 225April 18, 2022 5:53 PM

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by Anonymousreply 226April 18, 2022 5:54 PM

[quote] that’s quite different. Those two actors were part of the supporting cast with multiple scenes. They didn’t have just one single scene with dialogue. Totally different concept.

Jesus F. Christ, you're missing the point: that even when you're not on camera, you still need to act for the benefit of your co-stars. No matter how many scenes you appear in the film.

by Anonymousreply 227April 18, 2022 5:59 PM

Annie Hall was a love letter. Both Keaton and Allen had moved on since their affair but their time together must’ve been too rich a subject for Allen. Keaton has never been presented so lovingly and to such advantage and she gave an Award winning performance.

by Anonymousreply 228April 18, 2022 6:03 PM

[QUOTE] Keaton has never been presented so lovingly and to such advantage and she gave an Award winning performance.

See also: Marvin’s Room

by Anonymousreply 229April 18, 2022 6:07 PM

I like Diane in Reds, even more after reading about what dick Warren Beatty was to her and all the other actors.

by Anonymousreply 230April 18, 2022 7:34 PM

Weren’t Warren and Diane a couple during the making of REDS?

by Anonymousreply 231April 18, 2022 7:38 PM

[quote]Jesus F. Christ, you're missing the point: that even when you're not on camera, you still need to act for the benefit of your co-stars. No matter how many scenes you appear in the film.

Unclench and calm the fuck down. Okay now that we’ve got that out of the way, it’s comments like this:

[quote]the scene begins with her going to Sister Aloysius’ office and then they go outside for the walk. Technically it’s two scenes.

that are fucking ridiculous. An actor walking into an office for one second hardly qualifies as “acting for your costars“. But you disagree I’m just happy to upset you even more.

by Anonymousreply 232April 19, 2022 3:08 AM

Bette Davis said that was the hardest part of filming "Death on the Nile", maintaining her character in the background during the lengthy exposition scene.

by Anonymousreply 234April 19, 2022 3:13 AM

Who the fuck needs to maintain anything in the background?

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by Anonymousreply 235April 19, 2022 4:59 AM

r231 they were but the tension of making the film ended it.

I read when Keaton shot her last scene she immediately left the set AND Beatty.

by Anonymousreply 236April 19, 2022 5:10 AM

The AFI tribute. Diane Keaton is lovely. I love her. But she's more neurotic than delicate. Warren Beatty idealized her - as he fucked around with scores of others. Keaton has problems being intimate with even one.

It's a sweet moment, leaves out much more than it reveals.

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by Anonymousreply 237April 19, 2022 5:35 AM

When Keaton got the AFI award she discusses how Beatty was very hard on her but it worked. "The performance works" I think she says. She almost never says anything positive about herself so this stood out to me.

by Anonymousreply 238April 19, 2022 5:41 AM

Her performance in "Reds" works for me; it's too bad Beatty couldn't manage to get a decent performance from himself.

by Anonymousreply 239April 19, 2022 5:48 AM

Warren Beatty looks catatonic in that clip. He’s such a bad actor. At AFI, Faye also looks beat. Now I can see Diane was wearing headphones in Reds under her scarf. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 240April 19, 2022 5:57 AM

Can we at least agree that I was absolutely brilliant in Annie Hall?

Fuck you, Cheryl Ladd!

by Anonymousreply 241April 19, 2022 6:29 AM

R239 he was good - just that Keaton and Nicholson were much better. He probably sensed that and resented it.

I think it was a Vanity Fair article that went into the dynamics of filming - and that after the final scene, he supposedly asked some PA if “she did ok.” So Keaton basically (and understandably) said fuck you and walked off the set. Or something like that, I read this many years ago.

by Anonymousreply 242April 19, 2022 6:53 AM

R236, Not true. They attended the Academy Awards together when he won Best Director for "Reds".

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by Anonymousreply 243April 19, 2022 7:23 AM

The recent Warren Beatty bio is where I got that Keaton left the set in pain and hurt from how he treated her. I guess they got back together off and on and for the Oscars. I forget what happened after filming but I do remember she was very upset with him. I think the death scene may have been the last thing they shot and then she left Russia right after. I forget the details except for her leaving the set fed up with him.

by Anonymousreply 244April 19, 2022 8:01 AM

"Reds" wasn't filmed in Russia.

by Anonymousreply 245April 19, 2022 8:04 AM

where was it shot?

I clearly don't have my facts right. The book is pretty detailed though. .

by Anonymousreply 246April 19, 2022 8:06 AM

Mostly in Spain (like "Doctor Zhivago") and Finland, plus New York, California, UK, and more.

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by Anonymousreply 247April 19, 2022 8:12 AM

Basically yes, Diane Keaton did deserve her Oscar for Annie (like a win for Looking for Mr. Goodbar would have been equally deserving).

And let's not forget Shelley Duvall & Sissy Spacek for 3 Women, Jane Fonda for Julia, Ellen Burstyn for Providence & Gena Rowlands for Opening Night.

by Anonymousreply 248April 19, 2022 8:36 AM

I love the scene in Opening Night where Gena Rowlands is talking to another character (it might be Joan Blondell's character) about how she was a much better actress when she was younger. And how all her emotions felt so close to the surface then. It's a simple scene but quite remarkable and says so much about the character. I think a lot of these actresses (Keaton, Fonda, etc.) could probably relate.

I don't mind Warren in Reds, but his best acting was in his early days. Splendor in the Grass is still a very beautiful and naive performance all these years later. Quite naturalistic for when it came out, too.

by Anonymousreply 249April 19, 2022 9:05 AM

Keaton in the train scene when she spots Beatty coming toward her stops my heart every time.

by Anonymousreply 250April 19, 2022 1:19 PM

And Nicholson was strikingly good in it as Eugene O’Neill, his performance had real depth and substance. It wasn’t a typical “Jack” performance. You really got a sense of O’Neill’s yearning for a life with Louise.

by Anonymousreply 251April 19, 2022 2:27 PM

I've seen a few comments stating that Shelley Duvall was never a strong candidate for a Best Actress Oscar nomination because '3 Women' is a peculiar film that did little business at the box office. Personally, I think she just got unlucky with her timing -- the '70s actress fields were often so lacking in traditional Oscar bait roles for female leads that there were several years in which supporting parts were upgraded to lead (Valerie Perrine for 'Lenny', in '74, Louise Fletcher for 'Cuckoo's Nest in '75,' and Talia Shire for 'Rocky' in '76). This decade also saw six Lead Actress nominations for non-English language performances, unmatched in the surrounding decades, and a nomination for Carol Kane of the micro-budgeted and self-distributed 'Hester Street.'

The acting branch is willing to go more adventurous with their nominations if they lack traditional awards bait, but 1977 gave them a wealth of more mainstream options -- all five of the Best Actress nominees had corresponding Best Picture nominations. Duvall could have made the cut in 1975 or 1976; even in a year as competitive as '77, she received a Best Actress nod from BAFTA, which was not a particularly edgy or progressive voting body.

by Anonymousreply 252April 19, 2022 3:19 PM

The five best lead actress performances of 1977:

- Kathleen Quinlan, I Never Promised You a Rose Garden

- Julie Christe, Demon Seed

- Elizabeth Taylor, A Little Night Music

- Marie-France Pisier, The Other Side of Midnight

- Marilyn Chambers, Rabid

by Anonymousreply 253April 19, 2022 8:27 PM

AND Karen Lynn Gorney, Saturday Night Fever

by Anonymousreply 254April 19, 2022 8:56 PM

Poor Julie Christie took a lot of Warren Beatty's Demon Seed.

by Anonymousreply 255April 19, 2022 8:58 PM

Gorney woulda been Supporting...speaking of, I so wish Lee Grant had been nominated in Supporting that year for Airport '77 -- she's wickedly entertaining as the bitchy alcoholic wife of Christopher Lee.

by Anonymousreply 256April 19, 2022 9:00 PM

R255, A young gayling at the time, I can remember Julie Christie being criticized in the media for wearing gold lame pajamas to the Oscars the year she won for "Darling".

by Anonymousreply 257April 19, 2022 9:13 PM

Who the fuck would wear pajamas to the Oscars? Oh, and hello gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 258April 19, 2022 9:16 PM

R257 I liked the gold pyjamas. I think it worked because she was such a symbol of the swinging 60s (not many others could pull it off - sorry Babs). It also looked like something her character in Darling would have worn.

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by Anonymousreply 259April 19, 2022 9:18 PM

R236 she was next to him when he won the Oscar for directing Reds and he started his speech by acknowledging her

by Anonymousreply 260April 19, 2022 9:42 PM

That doesn’t necessarily mean they were together as a couple anymore at that point, R260.

by Anonymousreply 261April 19, 2022 10:01 PM

I didn't think they were together anymore either, but the sly way that Warren said his odds of speaking to Miss Keaton later were good and the little laugh she gave, was sweet and sexy. Beatty is known for that. Their physical affair may have been over or Diane might have a hard time quitting the Warren. She's a discreet one. Well she used to be. Then she became one of Ellen's mascots.

I love that she admits that kissing young Mel Gibson was bliss.

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by Anonymousreply 262April 19, 2022 10:18 PM

STREISAND wore the pajamas, Julie Christie merely wore a mini skirt.

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by Anonymousreply 263April 20, 2022 1:55 AM

R263, Bless your delusional heart.

by Anonymousreply 264April 20, 2022 2:50 AM

Lots of people show up together at the Oscars for show, like Julia and Benjamin, or Will and Jada. Doesn’t mean they are actually a couple.

by Anonymousreply 265April 20, 2022 4:37 AM

I loved Julia and Jane in it, but Diane Keaton was iconic in Annie Hall, like her or not.

by Anonymousreply 266April 20, 2022 5:33 AM

R262 she’s the very definition of someone who doesn’t say funny things but “says things funny.” Which I tend to appreciate more (in comedic acting, certainly).

by Anonymousreply 268April 21, 2022 3:58 AM

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